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Dec 31, 2002 17:48:52 GMT -5
Post by InsideTrip on Dec 31, 2002 17:48:52 GMT -5
Here's a question... what's your feelings on a wrestler getting caught drinking or doing drugs? If an athlete can't give those up for the short season that wrestling is, they shouldn't be there, and I don't care how good they are or how many countries they wrestled in over the summer. For those kids who work hard and stay away from that crap for their season, I applaud you.
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Jan 1, 2003 0:10:50 GMT -5
Post by luv2pin on Jan 1, 2003 0:10:50 GMT -5
Hey Inside Trip or whatever your real name is. This subject is really getting old. Until you can come on this site and post something positive that will not intentionally harm another kid, I recommend you find another place to write crap about. Sign it or get off! Happy New Years!
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Penk
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Jan 1, 2003 13:15:28 GMT -5
Post by Penk on Jan 1, 2003 13:15:28 GMT -5
Inside Trip, This is the first that I have heard of this subject. I agree with your thoughts, our kids are taught in first and second grades to say no to drugs. The schools have speakers come in constantly and talk about drugs and choices. An athlete that chooses to be on drugs is arrogant. People shouldn't blame the parents or coaches as the athlete should know right from wrong at an early age. It is plain and simply arrogant. Just my opinion.
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Jan 1, 2003 20:11:43 GMT -5
Post by Lstockert on Jan 1, 2003 20:11:43 GMT -5
It is very important that everyone involved in North Dakota Wrestling understand that we are talking about young men who are first human beings. This makes them not machines but fallible people just like that rest of us. People make mistakes - that is just our nature. It is important for all of us adults involved with wrestling to encourage all young wrestlers to recognize their strengths and weaknesses as people and as wrestlers even when they make mistakes. Let he among you who is without sin or error cast the first stone.
We are talking about young men who are deeply involved in life - much that same as all of us are. Many times all that they really want is the respect and admiration of their own peers - To be accepted and appreciated by them sometimes brings kids into the wrong elements. It is more important for them to know when they are wrong so that they can change it. IF Drug-addiction is present we need to encourage these young people to see how harmful it is to their lives and to encourage them to seek treatment so that they can avoid these kinds of things in the future. Drug addiction is a desease - not a measure of ones worth as a wrestler or a person. Be patient - God has not yet completed his work with these young men.
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Jan 1, 2003 20:46:49 GMT -5
Post by wrestler03 on Jan 1, 2003 20:46:49 GMT -5
that's all nice trying to defend the kids from the team you cheer for but i dont believe any of it. it's not a lesson they learn, it's a habit they should be able to stay away from for the 4 months they have to stay dedicated. I dont find it that hard to do and it shouldnt be any harder for anybody else to in the sport. wrestler's dont have a bad rep for drugs so why should we get one put on our name just because a couple people screw up. so the next time you are "pressured into something" remember your reputation goes for wrestlers across the state.
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Penk
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Jan 1, 2003 21:48:53 GMT -5
Post by Penk on Jan 1, 2003 21:48:53 GMT -5
L.Stockert, Wow, that's a load of crap. You state that he is "deeply involved in life" and "wants respect and admiration of his peers". Well did he get the respect and admiration of his peers? You say "drug addition is a disease". Then you better encorage him to get out of wrestling and get treatment. The fact is that he knew right from wrong and if he has to go through some embarrasment and humiliation then so be it. Reading this stuff not only helps him but any other potential wrestlers who want the respect and admiration of their peers as you state. Nobody is saying he is a bad kid, he just made a decision that was arrogant by getting involved in drugs when their is so much at stake.
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Jan 2, 2003 3:57:34 GMT -5
Post by Lstockert on Jan 2, 2003 3:57:34 GMT -5
Mr Penk: Mr. Penk:
There is no one in this world who hates alcohol and drugs worse than I do. I know how they destroy lives and families. Therefore, I certainly do not approve of alcohol and drug usage by anybody including our athletes.
It is a point of ethical reference that I refer to - Be kind and look at the total picture of this young mans life - not just at one isolated event. I have been a part of this young mans life (and many of the others too) for well over 12 years now and do not see this as anything other than an isolated mistake. Whats more important is that he knows it was a mistake too - so you can put your club back in it's case- you won't need to beat him over the head with it anymore. Arrogance is the act of exagerating ones own importance and I have never seen him as an arrogant person. He has a right to be proud of what he has accomplished and I think that he handles his success very well. In fact, I find him to be a very pleasent young man and would not be afraid to recommend him to any coach in the United States. He is a credit to our North Dakota kids and has brought much honor to his parents coaches and the wrestling community at large - despite the fact that he is a human being. Please remember that all of our children will stumble. Let's just be the kind of adults that help them recover from their fall. Further more, I do not think that part of that recovery process includes the use of cruel and demeaning words which distorts the overall picture
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Jan 2, 2003 10:12:35 GMT -5
Post by cardinalmom on Jan 2, 2003 10:12:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be great if all of our children were perfect? Yes they are taught from an early age right from wrong, but they still are going to make mistakes along the line, which hopefully they learn from them. Nothing good comes out of drug and alcohol abuse. We can't be with our children 24-7. As our States Attorney here told a friend of mine " 90 percent plus kids that I see come through here, grow up to be good responsible adults." I guess if they didn't believe that, everyone that breaks the law would be thrown in jail and not get a second chance.
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Penk
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Jan 2, 2003 11:39:32 GMT -5
Post by Penk on Jan 2, 2003 11:39:32 GMT -5
Stockert, The thread that started these posts is entitled "drugs". and whats your feelings on wrestlers getting caught and so on. When ever a person writes something that doesn't favor your views, then it is cruel and demeaning. That's what these forums are for. Not everything in wrestling is positive. My views are different than yours. I don't even know who the kid is but in your first thread you talked about drug addition and how it is a disease and treatment. Then in your second post you say it is an isolated mistake. You made us believe that this kid needed treatment for being a drug addict. If that were the case than don't you think it would be in the kids best interest to get out of wrestling and get treatment. If my sons were on drugs or alchohol I would be more concerned for their health than sport. They claim the first defense against drugs is to know and talk to your kids. These are my opinions!!
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Jan 2, 2003 11:40:24 GMT -5
Post by Lstockert on Jan 2, 2003 11:40:24 GMT -5
Cardinal Mom:
Thank you Cardinal Mom. It is true what you say. Furthermore, it is nice to hear from someone in the trenches who actually sees the reality of trying to raise a good kid in a sometimes crazy and mixed up world. Keep praying for, working with and encouraging our young people - they indeed have a long way to go and we can help them along the way if we help them see the fact that God made them good people - even in the times that they make mistakes.
Another thing - It is important to understand that these are VOLUNTARY DECISIONS that our children have made. Their decision to get involved in wrestling is a good one that hopefully will keep them out of the drug and alchohol scene 365 days of the year.
My best advise For those that have made mistakes and those that have not - keep working - keep struggling - keep learning and growing - keep praying and good things will come your way.
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Jan 2, 2003 15:58:42 GMT -5
Post by Icallum on Jan 2, 2003 15:58:42 GMT -5
As a parent, teacher,and coach, I want all kids to make the right choices in regards to alcohol and drugs. And yes, kids do make wrong decisions. The question is... What should we do with athletes that make wrong choices??? That my friends is out of our hands. Our North Dakota High School Activities Association has penalities set up for kids in extra-curricular activities that break the training rules. Now should the penalties be the same for having a cigarette, or a beer, or using marijauna? That brings up a totally different question. The problems that arise are when kids and/or the parents of kids who have broken these rules do everything in their power to either cover it up, or hire lawyers to get them off. If a kid screws up and serves their suspension... he or she should be allowed to participate! More times than you realize if a kid is breaking training rules... it will catch up with them and they will pay for it in the long run. For example... I know of a wrestler who was turned in for a alcohol violation during the Christmas holidays. When questioned about the incident, he firmly denied the accusation, so charges were dropped. This senior wrestler was #1 seed at the state tournament and lost badly in the finals to a kid that had never come close to beating him. And they had been wrestling each other since junior high. This wrestler later admitted to me that he did break training, and didn't deserve to win... That is my point... in most cases... they are only cheating themselves and deep down they know it!
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Jan 7, 2003 0:02:56 GMT -5
Post by goobz98 on Jan 7, 2003 0:02:56 GMT -5
i think that athletes that do get caught with drugs or alcohol should pay a price, i think that all schools should have the same punishments, for ex. my brother years ago was driving in a with some people that were drinking, and they got pulled over one of the other passengers had a flask in there coat pocket and the cops had to report this info to the school, and he got kicked off wrestling his senior year for it and waas not able to go to state, which is fine because there is a price to pay, but what i am trying to at is that same weekend from another school a wrestler got caught whith weed, and he got to come back to wrestle at the state tourney, cause he only kicked off for 4 weeks instead of 6, i just dont think that part is fair ,, all schools should have the same punishments.
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Feb 11, 2003 13:05:39 GMT -5
Post by FormerImperial on Feb 11, 2003 13:05:39 GMT -5
When I was on A team you had to answer for just being around alcohol. There were unwritten rules that were followed. These days athletes seem to accept teammates use of drugs or alcohol. On my team that would not have happened you would have been asked to leave the team. Nowadays parents make excuses for their kids and their kids never learn anything from a mistake other than mom and dad stuck up for me. Years ago I would have rather the police did the punishment than my parents when I got into trouble.
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