WFfan
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Post by WFfan on Feb 6, 2003 11:52:57 GMT -5
Bumping up two weights to get stuck by White didnt do alot for the TEAM points now did it, but Im sure the coach had his reasons for his TEAM. A TEAM dual is like a chess match, you might have to move your TEAM lineup sometimes to get a more favorable matchup scenario. We in class A see WF, Bis, Bis Cen, Dic, Min, ect, ect, ect... do this ALL the time just to gain a few extra TEAM points on the TEAM dual score. The TEAM winning is more important in a dual than the individual athlete!! End of story!!
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Post by DFreeman on Feb 6, 2003 16:53:57 GMT -5
Actually he didn't get stuck he got beat 7-3 and he wanted to wrestle White and the coach let him. What does Carrington getting beat by Jamestown in a dual mean, nothing. Class B has regional dual tournaments so it hurt nobody by Irmen bumping up but in class A I agree it doesn't pay because it could cost you your seed at State.
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Post by cardinalmom on Feb 6, 2003 17:05:01 GMT -5
WFfan,
Did you stop to consider maybe Joey wrestling White saved Carrington 3 points? Nick Galt wrestled the 140 , and majored Ray Marinez 17-6 Joe lost to White, giving Jamestown 3 points instead of maybe Jamestown getting 6? Yes Joey volunteered to wrestle White, but if Paz had thought it was going to hurt his TEAM, I don't think he would have agreed to it.
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Post by Coach on Feb 6, 2003 18:56:55 GMT -5
WF Fan, You just set another example of how class A differs from class b yet again. In class B, we usually don't care about the TEAM points as much as you guys. Heck if we did that in class B, some teams would get spanked just because they give up 5-6 forfeits in some weights. So then should we wrestle our studs against peopele that aren't soo good just for the sake of the score?? I hardly ever see any of the Class A schools wrestle their JV guys when the score ends up like 60-6. Our studs usually bump around to wrestle the best kid on the opposing team so the fans get a show, also just because both kids like the competition. Young wrestlers don't learn much when they get beat in 20-30 seconds. I'm glad Irmen bumped up because otherwise some young kid would have wrestled white and would have gotten pummeled and that kid wouldn't gain a darn thing from that match. Irmen i'm sure learned something in someway from the match. We like to tell our kids to have fun where I coach, and if you win the dual more power to you. Also in class B, if a coach knows we have a young wrestler at a weight he will usually throw in a JV guy just to make it a match. You guys are really fortunate to have as many kids to chose from as you do, Some Class B teams have as many people in their town as like fargo or bismarck have in their high school.
Since we are on the Class a and class B differences. I would like to say that Class B has a way harder time at the state individual torunament. Look who has the 16 man brackets full and who doesn't. Class A could just as well start with just an 8 man bracket, instead of giving the byes. Class B has 16 tough wrestlers filling the brackets, where in class a, after the top 4 it is usually a steep drop off in competition levels. The other thing that kinda gets me is that some guys talk about little Melmer and Lang and such not having any competition in the state. They don't even know about or see anything on some of the towns in the NE, SW, or NW parts of the state. So it is tough to say they would dominate in BOTH class B and A, because we don't even know as coaches who's there until state!! As a final note, for WF fan, I am guessing you are a Class A fan from the East. I hope you enjoy the TEAM duals at the State tournament when the west will be pretty much dominate, by the looks of it!!
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Post by ridinforwrestlin on Feb 8, 2003 16:19:31 GMT -5
I disagree on that class B is more exciting, class A's wrestlers are way more flashy and have better technique and moves i think there finals are way more exciting to watch, espcally at state!
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Post by tiki149 on Feb 8, 2003 19:26:51 GMT -5
I believe that Class A is better than Class B. Class B has its share of good wrestlers, but the depth of Class A is what gives it the edge. That being said, I think North Dakota wrestling has fallen far in the past few years.
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Post by Coach on Feb 8, 2003 21:28:49 GMT -5
Tiki 149, I am surprised you said that Class A depth is way better than class B. If class A has so much depth, then why do they give byes for them at the state tournament? Why not fill the state brackets up. From what i have seen in the past, give them an 8 man bracket and you will still get the same results. Class B has a FULL 16 man bracket, and with the competion spread out so far, nobody knows who will be on top, or who will come out on the top 8!! there are lots of times where the lower seeds will outdo the higher seeds just cause everyone has a different wrestling style. I figured this post would fire some people up so let the the responses fly! Coach
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Post by whoswho on Feb 16, 2003 16:10:11 GMT -5
I've seen both classes wrestle and I've seen their styles REALLY differ. For one thing, Class A likes to try to stay on there feet and pretty much only try to do quick and LAZY takedowns, while Class B goes at it and takes it straight from the get go and actually wrestle. Class A seems to be a huger of the sideline, and dosn't seem to want to wrestle when they wrestle class B. I don't know what to say about how good both are, but if it wasn't for class A huging the edge of the mat to bail out, I think class B would crush them
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Post by WraslinFan on Feb 16, 2003 19:48:29 GMT -5
I'm sure there are wrestlers in both classes that like to stay on their feet and go for the "LAZY" takedowns. Fact is, some wrestlers are better on their feet than others and feel comfortable working for that so called LAZY takedown.
For those of you fans that were at the West Region finals and saw the Mellmer-Stockert match, I'm sure you would agree that none of the takedowns (especially the ones early in the match) were "LAZY".
Just my opinion ;D
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Post by wrestlingat25 on Feb 16, 2003 22:06:22 GMT -5
i wrestle 125 and i had to wrestle the 5th rated kid on b's and he was more agresive but only new few moves riding and on bottom then i wrestled the 4th rated kid on the a's and he had more set up to shots and was a harder competitor i thought was i tought rider and hard to keep down it might have just been the people i wrestled but i think a's are tougher
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Post by RedWhiteBlue on Feb 17, 2003 23:04:15 GMT -5
Both are tough. I believe that A's depend more on speed and technique, and not so much throwing people around the mat with their muscle. A's wrestle more on their feet and do a lot more complex moves, where B's go straight for the pin and are very aggressive. B's also are probably more on the muscular side and not so much technique and speed. But both are very tough, and I don't believe either is harder than the other.
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Post by 171pounder on Feb 18, 2003 20:46:02 GMT -5
i agree that maybe the state champs at a are usually a little bit better then the state champs at b, but if u went a dual of the top 6 placers at a weight class b vs a i guarantee u b would win more matches. and as far as a having more depth then b, hahaha that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard say in my life and whoever said that should just crawl into a hole for the rest of their ife.
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