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Post by sdafan on Feb 10, 2003 15:31:59 GMT -5
How many people would like to see the tournaments in the same location? I believe the last time was in "89 and we all got to see Wallman- Lamer in the finals. Leave some reason why and why not.
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Post by derekpirner on Feb 10, 2003 16:19:56 GMT -5
the only place that could realisticly hold it would be vermillion...and seriously who wants to go to vermillion for the state wrestling tournament?
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Post by wrastler95 on Feb 10, 2003 21:57:51 GMT -5
I disagree that Vermillion is the only place that can hold this kind of a tournament. I was in Rapid City when they did it. I thought there was plenty of room. Place was packed but when you got to see that many awesome wrestlers (A & B) in one place, its going to be. Besides Vermillion couldn't possibly house everybody. Rapid City is by far big enough and the Civic Center has plenty of floor space. Actually it looks knd of bare with only four mats down. Why not make it eight. The message I keep getting from east river coaches is that they don't want to travel out west. Hey, life isn't fair, we have to travel EVERY year to the eastern part of the state. I don't mind it but I wouldn't mind getting to see the B's (with or without the A's) out west. I think the dual tourney would benfit from this also. Both in one place that is.
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Post by warriors1 on Feb 10, 2003 22:03:43 GMT -5
i agree that A's and B's should wrestling together then have the Winners of class A wrestle the winners in class B then you will know who the state champion is!!!
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Post by wrestlersdad on Feb 10, 2003 22:16:48 GMT -5
I liked the combined tournaments in Sioux Falls & Rapid City years ago. It does get hectic and somewhat confusing with the large crowds, but it's a great deal for the true fan to get to see the As & Bs together. I think it would be GREAT to have the Dual Tournaments at the same site, it would cut costs for the SDHSAA, and increase attendance. I think it hurts our press coverage to have the state tournaments at two different sites the same weekend. There probably aren't very many states with split sites
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Post by scrambler5 on Feb 18, 2003 22:57:37 GMT -5
this idea is by far the silliest thing i've seen tonight and i saw that everyone thinks brett jarman could win state. moving the tourney's around makes it fair to everyone who lives in the boonies so they don't have to travel 10 hours every year.
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Post by 2ndSucks on Feb 18, 2003 23:20:05 GMT -5
Yes the state tourny is moved every year. However in the b's it is always on the east side of the state. Some schools have to travel at least five hours either way.
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Post by sdafan on Feb 18, 2003 23:25:15 GMT -5
OK, just so everyone is on the same page. I am not talking about having the tourneys in the same town every year, I mean lets have the A and B tourney in the same town at the same time, that way everybody gets a chance to see everyone wrestle, and don't say it can't be done because we have already done it in the 80's and it was a great place to be if you like wrestling. And for a couple of you, I typed slower so you could read and understand this.
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Post by armbar on Feb 19, 2003 9:04:21 GMT -5
Having the tournaments at different sites highlights both calsses better. I'll bet total fan attendance is higher also. I wrestled in one of those combined tourneys in the 80's. While I thought it was OK, none of my family liked it. I think having the B's in Abderdeen is the best for the fans. A big %age of fans can drive there pretty easily, and the Barnett Center is Great. I say leave the B's in ABDN.
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Post by Dakota Grappler on Feb 19, 2003 9:23:44 GMT -5
If it can't be done in the same location why can't it be held two different weekends one might ask.... Well, I asked that question a couple of years ago to the SDHAA and their response was that then they would have to spit up basketball weekends.... Of course they always are thinking basketball..... The second response also was, "Then that second state would run into District Basketball playoff... My response was that the limited number of Wrestling and basketball fans together is crazy.... Most wrestling fans are wrestling fans and not both sports. Isn't the sport for the kids and fans and not because basketball..
Any other slants on this one?
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Post by armbar on Feb 19, 2003 9:46:24 GMT -5
Good Point
Do they really think class A wrestling fans are going to miss the BB District in the two lower classes. I know for a fact they used to have them on different weekends. The B coaches,wrestlers, and die hard fans used to go to the A tourney. This is back when they used to flip flop between Watertown and Huron.
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Post by wrcoach on Feb 19, 2003 16:39:32 GMT -5
I think that this could be done with the current rotation in place. When the A's are scheduled to be in Rapid City we could have the B's in also. This would keep the B's in Aberdeen and Sioux Falls also. This would also bring the B's West River for the first time since I don't know when. I am not really concerned about eastern teams having to travel to Rapid once every four years as it is a tremendous burden for the west river schools to go east EVERY year. It is closer for Bennett Co. to go to Denver than Aberdeen.
Regardless, I think that this is a compromise that the coaches should propose at the advisory council meetings in March. I have been to State Tournaments in Wyoming, Nebraska and Colorado all of which host all classes and the fan appeal is tremendous and gives the sport a shot in the arm.
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Post by WrestlingRulz on Feb 20, 2003 9:35:47 GMT -5
I agree that holding the two tournaments together would be nice. I believe the reason that the B's are held on the east side of the state is that the majority of the programs are on the east side of the state. I realize that you west river boys travel along ways for the state tourney and I would like to see the tourney back in Rapid because it was a great place for the tourney. Good Luck this weekend!!
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Post by armbar on Feb 20, 2003 11:18:55 GMT -5
While I agree that the west river schools (and fans) have to travel much farther than the eastern schools, there is good reason to NEVER have the B's in Rapid City. First of all, its been tried, and the attendace and $$ brought in goes way down. Fans that go to the B's in Abdn, will show up on an impulse. When someone they know pulls an upset and makes the semi-finals or finals, they may just go watch just on Sat. The attendance will NEVER be as high (for the B's) in Rapid as in Abdn. This is just a fact, which equals less money for the tounament. Second, the only state tournament my sister has missed since 1982, was in Rapid. There was a blizzard on that Thursday and Friday. The attendance was terrible, many fans, parents, and relatives could not make it.
It sure would be nice if Pierre had the facilities and motels, but untill then, leave the B's in Abdn. That way the biggest percentage of fans can make it. And the state makes its $ too.
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Post by wrestlersdad on Feb 21, 2003 21:20:21 GMT -5
To get back to the original topic, the split sites on the same weekend splits the fans and the press coverage. Having seperate sites serves no useful purpose, at least when held on the same weekend. The only problem with a combined tournament is that only Sioux Falls and Rapid City realistically have enough motels to handle it. Aberdeen, while a great facility & great organization, barely has the motel space for the Bs as it is. One problem is that many B schools that are close to Aberdeen stay in Aberdeen anyway. I heard Ipswitch (20 miles away) stayed there last time. There was a lot of east river crying around when the state AAU tournament was held in Rapid City also. Guess what - the roads are built to be traveled both ways. all that driving isn't very fun, is it? There were also fans at Rapid that wouldn't have driven back east either.
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