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Post by coachU on Feb 24, 2003 23:13:00 GMT -5
Referees I'm not writing this to bash you or put you down But me as a Coach and a heavy weight lover When I watched the McCleary Greenwood Semi FInal Match It was brought o my attention that Mr.Greenwood was working his tail off and Mr.McCleary was out there just waiting for Mitch I belive his name is to get tired Kyle did get a stalling in the 1st period and after that I thought for sure that the match was over Cause of the early stalling on McClearys Part which I didn't see a stalling at all But Referees Kyle McCleary was stalling in the 3rd period for most of it is over now but Please can we as coaches and you as refs and wrestlers as wrestlers try and maybe just examine the stalling penalty and try to maybe reconstruct it in away of so please at teh next coaches meeting I will be sure to bring thsi about.
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Post by fordville on Feb 24, 2003 23:26:22 GMT -5
Coach, you should spend less time worrying about stalling and more time focusing on your writing skills.
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Post by wrestlingfan31 on Feb 25, 2003 18:12:28 GMT -5
fordville: I think you should stop worrying about peoples spelling mistakes. This is a site for WRESTLING, not grammer. So shut up. And as for the stalling, I agree with you, the reffing sucked this tournament for the mostpart, taking way to long to call a pin, calling pins that were not pins, not calling stalling when there was obviously stalling going on, calling stalling when the person wasnt stalling, just everything overall. The reffing sucked.
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Post by grappler2002 on Feb 25, 2003 20:04:56 GMT -5
I also agree the reffing sucked!! We seen alot of bad calls made, and to bad it was a State tourney that it happened at!! Alot of stalling that was not called, and in other matches it was called and the other kid was doing it!! I think it depended on who you were!!!
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Post by fordville on Feb 25, 2003 21:54:32 GMT -5
Wrestlingfan31...I wasn't so worried about grammar and spelling but wouldn't mind understanding what he said so we indeed could talk wrestling...I hope he's not a teacher as well. And for you, I assume you are or were a wrestler that wasn't good enough to rely on your own ability so that you have to complain about the reffing. If you are complaining about the ref or think a ref determined a match, you should look at wrestling in some pee wee tournaments this spring and see if you can't improve a little so you don't have to rely on a ref to win or lose you a match. It's call work, try it once and you won't have to rely on anyone else.
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Post by Huskie on Feb 26, 2003 9:28:24 GMT -5
I for one agree that stalling should be called more. I am an official and have tried to call stalling more. I do feel that the people who are posting on this site have obviously not reffed before. Every call looks different to us than it looks to you in the stands. Once again, if you feel that the reffing in the state is so bad, why don't you become one. I for one, heard very little complaining from the COACHES about the reffing at the state tournament. Please stop bashing the refs, it is a difficult job. We are working around 10-12 hours straight with few breaks. This is extremely mentally and physically straining on someone. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.
Blair Kelley
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Post by dontworryaboutit on Feb 27, 2003 12:23:55 GMT -5
Blair,
i think you are full of it. You think stalling should be called more??? Why didn't you call stockert for stalling at the Rotary finals?? Talk is cheap. As for the coaches not complaining to you the reason for that is simple if they complain about a call to you all the referee's take it personally and throughout the rest of the tournament you will screw their kids over left and right. And Lastly I used to ref when I lived in Montana and my feeling is that don't be so quick to pull the "if you think you can do better that put the uniform on" My reponse to that is IF you are going to make the committment to be a referee then you need to know the rules and make all calls without bias if it is too hard for you to do this then don't ref, Let someone else do it. There are only a few refs in North Dakota that are able to do this and you are not one of them. You take any question about your calls as an attack on you personally and then hold that grudge against the team for the rest of the tourny. You can come back and defend yourself until your blue in the face but I have watched you ref and until your actions change than your words are meaningless. As I said at the beginning of this post.
Talk is cheap.
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Post by JJNelson on Feb 27, 2003 12:46:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to get Blair's back on this one. I think Blair is one of the best officials in the state! I have been around this state's wrestling scene for 9 years now and have seen Blair ref my kids as well as others lots of times. I think he is completely impartial on the mat. Do I agree with him all the time? No, but I don't agree with any other refs all the time either. Like someone siad before, I see the matches through clouded glasses and I don't believe he does. Enough said.
JJ
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Post by LancePotter on Feb 27, 2003 13:18:59 GMT -5
I also think the refs in our state do a good job!! No one will make the "Right" call 100% of the time. The refs are still out there doing their part for our sport because they also love it.
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Post by Wrestle71 on Feb 27, 2003 13:34:04 GMT -5
I, too, wil have to defend Blair Kelly and the vast majority of other wrestling refs across the state. I've seen my share of bad calls going against our kids but I've also seen go for our kids. None of these guys are getting rich doing this. They do it for the love of the sport. Do I give them grief? Absolutely. Some good natured kidding while other times seriously questioning a call. However, if I thought I could do better I'd be out there. Blair and others--keep up the good work and don't let the 'whiner's get to you!!
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Post by Huskie on Feb 27, 2003 14:45:13 GMT -5
First of all, thank you JJ Nelson and wrestle71 for your praise. Second, don't all of you love it when people come on this site and bash you and then aren't man or woman enough to put their names behind their posts. In reference to "dontworryaboutit," I guess that you are perfect. I feel that I try hard to do the best job I can when I ref. I didn't call Stockert for stalling in the Rotary finals because neither wrestler was doing any shooting. Mellmer was hanging on a front headlock and that was about it. If he had been trying to use it, the situation would have been different. I disagree
istant in the match felt there was no stalling either. I feel that you have compromised your integrity, not only on this post but this past weekend in the state tournament. Your conduct in the corner was not only a black eye for you in the eyes of coaches, fans and other wrestlers but embarrassing for wrestling in the state of North Dakota. I have never seen such immature behavior. If I were a Minot fan, I would hope that with your kind of actions you would never be in the corner again. If you want to post your name now, go ahead, but I think anyone can figure out who the only person was that cost Minot two team points, sole possession of third place in the state and had to sit out the last day and a half of the tournament due to unsportsmanlike conduct. It seems to me your actions by the mat carry over to this website. I wasn't bashing anyone and you turned around and bashed me. I was trying to defend what I think is an extremely tough job and that is it. I didn't put my personal opinion of any specific people in my posts and you made it personal. I have never held a grudge against anyone I have ever officiated, if you think I did, then that is your opinion. Once again, those of you who are positive toward the officials, thank you. I am sorry that I became negative in this post but I felt that this certain Minot assistant coach needed to hear how I felt.
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Post by WFfan on Feb 27, 2003 14:58:04 GMT -5
Nice job Blair...Maybe "Dontworryaboutit" or Josh will stop giving Minot a bad name??? Minot has always done a great job up there and they do not need this.
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Post by JoshK on Feb 27, 2003 15:14:18 GMT -5
Blair,
I have never posted here before but this deems clarification. To start my actions at state were innappropriate. I let my emotions get the better of me when I felt my kids weren't getting a fair shake. With that being said you were not invloved in either match and I have no problems with the way you ref. I talked to you personally after the Rotary finals and agreed that Marc did not do enough to warrant a stalling call against Stockert. You can believe what you want but I think you know that when it comes down to it I respect you and your efforts throughout the state that if I had a problem with you I would take it up in private and not attack you on this board.
That being said I did have a problem with some of the officiating at state and I should have taken a more diplomatic approach.
Josh Krebs
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Post by Huskie on Feb 27, 2003 15:40:51 GMT -5
Josh,
I guess I need to apologize. I was informed that you were the one bashing me and it was obviously a mistake. I am sorry that I attacked you. As for dontworryabout it, post your name next time you personally bash someone.
Blair
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Post by fordville on Feb 27, 2003 15:41:59 GMT -5
Nice try Krebs. You are just making yourself look worse. So your telling me that you joined this site today, Feb 27 at 14:59:32 with your real name (now that somebody figured you out) and have no idea who "dontworryaboutit" even is and have never posted before. You are even dumber than I thought. Now, you realized how big of a dope you looked like and are trying to cover it up, like I said, you just made things worse. I think this is humorous. Blair, I think I know who you are, I recently moved back from South Dakota to ND and I am an avid wrestling fan, and make a point to go to a lot of wrestling and I feel you do a good job, along with the other refs as well. I thought the state tourney was well officiated, ofcourse there were a few mistakes made, but overall it was well done and you do a fine job. One more thing Mr. Krebs, I saw one of your other posts bashing Mr. Nider as well. Good off season strategy!
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